i went home early today, that nasal spray fudged me over. just got outta bed!
10:06 PM me: oh dear, do you still wanna do this?
D: yeah, it's fine innit
as long as you note that i've also got trapped wind
me: this is all going in there
10:07 PM D: good job i'm always ON!
me: shall i start by blowing your trumpet?
do as you may!
10:08 PM me: okay, is it fair to state that your big break came in a Middlesborough FC fanzine?
10:09 PM D: YES!
it was fly me to the moon from about 99
to 2001 i think
10:10 PM and it lead to the springboard of selling framed caricatures in a local barbers, in middlesbrough
juninho, ravanelli, phil stamp etc
me: nice, and was that your first introduction to real D.IY. publishing?
10:11 PM D: I would say so, I've never thought of it that way but now I think about it, yes!
It was a buzz seeing it in the fanzine on match day for sure
10:14 PM me: Do you feel that self-published work has more integrity or 'value'? Or that the freedom attained by self-publishing leads to better work sometimes?
10:15 PM D: slk
fo sho. it means you've gone to the effort of sorting something out yourself and not waiting for things to drop in your lap
(ignore that slk, typo)
10:16 PM you can do what you want, even if it's rubbish and no one will tell you STOP!
it helps you get more of a voice and then maybe leads to better work
10:17 PM it can be as cheap or as complicated and expenny as you wanna make it
10:18 PM me: yeah, i guess we should make a distinction between vanity publishing, like 'look at my trainer collection in this beautiful hard-back book?'
10:19 PM 'Not even Jordan's got these!'
10:20 PM though maybe if i had a massive wad i would make a vanity publication about the trainer oddities i've had over the years
you cut your page accordingly, or pay someone else to do it if you can
10:21 PM trainers - first british knights (or burger kings) at school, dinosaur jr nike shoes - silver and garish
me: what about records?
10:22 PM was there a moment when you became aware that people actually illustrated or designed them?
10:23 PM And that it wasn't some secret club controlled by the mafia or david geffen?
10:24 PM D: yes, can't pinpoint it exactly but it probably dates back to checking out my dad's records
maybe cream or something that i wouldn't like so much now, that disraeli gears one
me: does your dad have black flag records?
D: "woah, you can print...silver"
10:25 PM hardly!
his favourite is frank zappa
that made me aware that record covers could be funny?
me: Who did the zappa covers?
D: googles it
10:26 PM D: don't know the name or if it's lot of names or anything but there's some good ones I think
and then Limp Bizkit of course
10:27 PM I liked the Wes Borland (guitarist) cover illustration for one album a little too much
significant other it was called
and it's gross
10:28 PM it dates back to 1999, i'd hoped it might be earlier than that
10:29 PM me: That's funny, i think everyone has these type skeletons in their closets and i think it's cool to admit it
D: and I was into it RIGHT when it came out, so we can definitely date it to 1999
10:30 PM me: I think i still like Fun Lovin Criminals when in 1999
D: i think my a-level artwork had extensive wes borland coverage and lifting
i definitely did
10:31 PM they didn't have good covers as I remember though
me: No it was all fake-gangster b+w photos
10:32 PM D: I definitely used to think huey (lewis?) was cool, and now you see him all bloaty on channel 5 and it's like...damn girl
10:33 PM mind you, he's probably be chosen for the heston blumenthal feast tasting audience so who are I to scoff
10:34 PM me: No way! I asked the Black Flag question because that was how Raymond Pettibon first entered the consciousness and i see some parellels between the two of you
D: oh yes please
i'm a big fan but only of like the last five years or so...maybe longer than that
10:35 PM me: he somehow managed to make the cross-over to the fine-art exhibition carousel and but still has to do Foo Fighters record covers to pay the bills
D: between five and ten actually, can remember d-loading images off the internet
10:36 PM me: I like the idea that all these millions of people own a reproduction of one his paintings
D: black flag flyers first then saw the other stuff, like the surfing things and sonic youth cover and the art book stuff
me: yeah it was the sonic youth cover for me too
10:37 PM but i couldn't make the leap in my mind yet to think of it as art, which i do now. I kind of think of everything as art
10:38 PM D: yeah, it's class to see someone getting all that gallery fawn who is genuinely class and is as productive as they come (soz replying to previous questbots) and it's funny that he's still doing foo fighters covers. if that's how he came into the game then maybe that's how he'll leave it. DOING COVERS FOR MINT BANDS
10:39 PM everything is art
me: If you could do a record cover for anyone who'd it be?
10:40 PM D: oooooh good one
i'd like to do a hip hop cover
maybe for ghostface killah
i'd do any hip hop cover but no one ever asks and I can reach the peoples for their peoples
10:41 PM me: i reckon he'd be into it, how do we get his number?
D: hang around MOHO live til he next plays there for £5
me: some kind of honey trap?
10:42 PM D: yesss
10:43 PM there'd be other people i'd like to do covers for, the classics - sonic youth, neil young, bob dylan (something super snazzy and modern)
10:44 PM though the pressure would maybe be too much to do something good
so it'd end up being not very good and i'd get obsessed with searching for scathing reviews of it in forums
10:45 PM me: i reckon all the big guys just use something that already exists
cause they can afford it
D: yeah, like OBEY guy
that led zeppelin best of that came out a while ago with lazy blimp artwork by that OBEY andre the giant guy
10:46 PM he phoned it from his iphone me thinkies
10:47 PM who would you do a cover for? or liner notes!
10:49 PM me: i'd do liner notes for ANYBODY, i don't think i'd be able to DO a cover for anyone, but i'd love to art-direct a morrissey one
tbh i'd probably just ask you to do it if i ever got asked or Lucy
10:50 PM D: what about liner notes for basshunter? given that you know he's a sex pest?
i'd like to see you art direct a cover
10:51 PM me: next time you get a brief i'll back-seat drive it for sure
D: i'd be into that
me: DEAL! 2 more questions then we'll wrap it up
10:52 PM D: kewl
wind still trapped, i've got sick feelings but i keep burping
10:53 PM me: I feel responsible. that Root Beer and now high-pressure interview
D: seriously, i think that root beer started it but it was delicious to be fair
10:54 PM me: you have to sip it bruv
i'm on it right now
D: i know but i opened it just before i decided i was going to leave and i just necked it to get rid of the nasal taste
10:55 PM me: yikes
you recently exhibited for the first time in a long time, how did it feel? Would you do it again soon?
10:56 PM D: it felt good, i've never been that into the prospect of exhibitioning as I have a kind of mental block as to what you produce for an exhibition
10:57 PM i find it unnatural to think about specially made stuff as I never know what I'd make
it'd be forced
BUT with the islington mill expo it felt good and right because it was a collection of past (and recent) work that Lucy and myself had made and not many people have really seen it before
me: So we'll have to wait 10 years for another retrospective?
10:58 PM D: anddd when I saw the work that Lucy had piled up for exhibition contention I was just like YES!
haha, no maybe not. I mentioned to Lucy yesterday the thought about trying to get an exhibition elsewhere
10:59 PM so it might happen soon
the thought of it is scarier than the reality, like trapped wind
11:00 PM I think it gave us both confidence, not in terms of people coming up to us and saying "this is amathing!" but more like we were both happy with what we presented
11:01 PM and it was nice, for us both I think, to look back through piles that otherwise rarely get looked back through. it's like the piles had a purpose!
we were pumped about being asked to do it too by Mark Mill
11:02 PM me: That's great, and it was really genuinely representative too. Of the similarities and and the differences. Yeah, he was so keen and so proud, it was amazing.
11:04 PM D: that's nice to hear, when I see lucy's work it's what I always want my work to look like but I can't do it because it doesn't come natural. so it pleases me greatly when someone who digs Lucy's work also digs mine because I feel there's big differences but some similarities somehow
11:05 PM I can't see how anyone can't dig both
11:07 PM D: wahey
11:08 PM that is most pleazing for me coming from you
11:10 PM :P
D: dictate that
me: that icon dance was weird
11:11 PM D: I designed it
especially for your iphone
me: i typed a big thing about you and Lucy that i just deleted
11:12 PM i wish i had an iphone, next time someone tries to sell me one on the street i'ma get me one
Also i can't remember ehat else i wanted to ask
11:13 PM D: damn
on all counts
me: Is there anything else you wanna get off your chest?
my trapped wind
11:14 PM me: Okay see you later
Get well soon
11:15 PM it's so off the record it's ON the record
me: LOVE YOU too
D: don't stay up too late, thanks for asking all the Qs
it was worth getting out of bed for
11:16 PM D: speech soon x This conversation formed the bulk of a zine made for MUSEUMS no.2 (see below), a few copies of which should soon be available from Good Grief!